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obstacles in her life, and she is going to be our special guest monday and a member of our strike team. we look forward to seeing diane and hope you will join us for that. have a great weekend. have a great weekend. anderson 360 starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- good evening, everybody. we begin tonight keeping them honest. starting with mitt romney, and he made a statement at the cpac in washington where gingrich and santorum have also spoken, and the question tonight, is governor romney trying to rewrite his own political history. this is what romney said today. >> i fought against long odds in a deep blue state, but i was a severely conservative republican governor. [ applause ] i understand that the battles that we as conservatives must fight, because i have been on the front lines. >> he says he was a severely
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conservative republican governor of massachusetts, and he also said he knows conservativism, because he lived wit, and vowed to repeal president obama's health care act, and to agree or disagree, it is to use his own word severely conservative, and to be honest, it does not describe his time in massachusetts as governor and how he himself was describing himself when he ran for the job. this is mitt romney in 2002 when he was running for governor. >> people realize i'm not a partisan republican, but moderate and my views are progressive. >> not a partisan, moderate, but progressive views. here he is in a campaign debate volunteering the moderate and liberal position on abortion rights. >> and the chairman stuck a little point in there that is with my views on protecting a
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woman's right to choose. i have been clear, and i will preserve a woman's right to choose and i will be devoted in that word. i will not change any provision of massachusetts' pro choice law s. >> mitt romney ten years ago outlining the position on abortion and whether you agree or not it is a far cry from severely conservative. the difference between then and now is consistency, and he had been saying then what he said in 1994 in the u.s. senate running against ted kennedy as a progressive republican. >> i believe that abortion should be legal in this country and i have since my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a u.s. senate kacandida and since roe v. wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it. it was a independent in the time of reagan and bush. i'm not trying to return to reagan and bush. >> back then mr. romney promised the fight for full equality of the gay and lesbian citizens and that is from the law republican he wrote. he wrote, i'm with you on this
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stuff and i'll be better than ted kennedy. so in 2002 he was a moderate with progressive views, and he also signed a ban on assault weapons and also signed a reform law that is similar to president obama's. and later in the ehis term he m more to the right on the gun control, and ash bortion. in 2006, when the strongly conservative magazine "republican events" put out the most conservative governors, romney did not make the list. and you can agree that his views have changed over the years, but the issue is can he seemingly rewrite the past to look better now. a lot to talk with james carville and ralph reid founder of the christian coalition, and president of the century strategy. james, when you hear mitt romney describe himself as having been
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a severely conservative governor, what do you think? >> well, it is not up to me, but i know that before that audience, when you think of obama care or romney care, i don't think it went over very well, and if romney is trying to run as the genuine conservative candidate against rick santorum, that is not the winning message. i don't think that people are going to buy that. you know, he is a little bit of a tight spot here, so he has the try to make some room, but this is not a smart thing he did. it doesn't sound genuine at all. >> ralph, does it sound genuine to you? do you believe he was a sincerely conservative republican governor? >> well, i believe that his advisers feel strongly and he believes that the entire teen ur as governor in the course of the campaign haseen buffeted by the opponents and the mediacrit to the health care plan, and it
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is a good call that he cut taxes 19 times and cut spending $3 billion and balanced four budgets and left $2 billion in a rainy day fund and left a state that he inherited in a fiscal nightmare and left it with one of the best fiscal situations in the country and unemployment hovering around 4%, and he had every right to make that case. >> but rafflph, in 2002 when he was running, he said he was not a partisan republican and describing himself as anything but severely conservative back then. >> sure. i don't disagree with that, anderson, and i have been doing this a long time and james have been doing this a long time. we both had good friends and clients in the case when we have been u consultaconsultants and office and are radicalized or evolved once they get into office. this is an 85% democratic
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legislature, and he vetoes bills 800 times, and it is very clear that he changed. while i remain neutral in the race and i'm not advocating anybody for this nomination, i want to let the voters decide. i know mitt romney, and i believe that evolution that he had was genuine. >> james, it is -- i mean, obviously, if president obama is running against mitt romney, they are going to be calling him a flip-flopper. >> oh, yeah. why would they do that? >> and hasn't the president, himself, changed his positions on for instance on the super pac recently on whether or not to support them? >> sure. sure, and people do. you know, and i'm sure that will come out, and, we will see what it is. it is hard to think of something that mitt romney has not changed the position on. he is a good family man and give him credit for that and loyal to the church. but look, that is something that has to be aired out. right now, mitt romney's problem is that the kn scon seservative
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cottston to him, and you look at what happened in south carolina and the other night, and no chance that santorum or gingrich is the nominee, and we all know that. but they just don't -- the way i -- this is like trying to feed a dog a pill. and the dog keeps spitting up the pill, and eventually they will have to take the romney pill, but they will spit it up a few more times before they take it. >> and ralph, to james' point, rick santorum says they have raised $3 million in the past two days and taken the number two spot in the gallup poll, and is he the al teternative to rom? >> well, i go become to what rick santorum said when they were writing him off as dead a few weeks ago. he said if you don't like how the race is going, give it a few days, and it will change. this is my ninth presidential campaign and i will tell you that you have to determine this on a ouija board at this point.
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fw but to james' point about the conservatives having to eat the dog food and we have seen this movie before, so cautious about a free still photo to suggesting that who is nominee is won't have these folks on board. >> i didn't say he wasn't going to like him, because i said they will eventually take the pill. >> yeah, i agree with that. >> and everybody is -- but no rick santorum is not going to be the nominee of anything. it is going to be romney and you are a good republican, and you are starting to fall in line and hopefully people for your party's sake they follow your lead, ralph, but they are not cueing up easily. you have the whip them in line down there. >> well, i am not falling in line and i will support who the ultimate nominee is, and whoever the ultimate nominee is, they will be sharpened and better by this process and just as barack obama by the way was a much better candidate than he ever would have been if he had not gone 12 rounds with hillary
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clinton. >> and you might find five people who think that rick santorum is the political equal of hillary clinton, but i would be hard pressed to find them myself. >> we will talk to them more after the break. and dialing in on the religious issues of birth control. and the issue will get heated up. we will ask them both the put out the fire. let us know what you think. follows on twitter tonight @andersoncoop @andersoncooper. the slaughter in syria is so pronound that it is visible from space. we will show you more importantly the destruction on the ground level view. and syrian armor taking aim on a civilian neighborhood. asia. >> well, the man who has been convicted of stalking madonna is under arrest again, and we will tell you why. that and much more when "360"
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before the break, we were talking to democratic strategist james carville, and ralph reid of the freedom coalition, and we were asking if mitt romney is trying to paint his record as more conservative than it was, and whatever you conclude, he is
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trying in this campaign to stake out the religious high ground. he is trying to have religious employers to include birth control coverage in their health care plan, and today president obama laid out a compromise. >> women will have access to free preventative care which includes contraceptive services no matter where they work. that core principle remains. but, if a woman's employer is a charity or a hospital that has a religious objection to providing contraceptive services as part of the health plan, the insurance company and not the hospital and not the charity will be required to reach out and offer the woman contraceptive carefree of charge without co-pays and without hassles. >> well, both planned parenthood, and the catholic health association gave this new version the blessing and the conference of catholic bishops called it a step in the right direction, but they would reser
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reserve their opinion for now. i asked ralph reid about what he felt about this. >> well, it is incalculable and what it shows is what the white house would have liked to do, and pulled back the curtain of what obama care would have looked like in a second obama administration, and that is number one. number two, we need to wait for the actual language of the ruling, but it is getting a mixed reception at best, and this is why, because et it is a government edict that is instead of telling the religious organization that they have the provide the funds unilaterally to fund something that is morally objectionable, they have shifted the mandate to the insurance company. how does the insurance company get the money to provide the mandate? they will get it from the religious emp ploy i p ploploye
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objectionable, but it is an improvement. >> and let me say two words, terri schiavo. this is an overreach, and first of all, they are against contraception as is most of the people. this is the kind of thing, and first of all birth control pills don't cost insurance companies money, because they gladly will give it to people, because it saves them costs. >> especially told by the government. >> and 98% of catholic women use birth control, and 28 statesmandate estatesma statesman -- statesmandated this, and if anything in the long run, they will be slightly helped by this. i think that the terri schiavoover reach is one of the things that caused the house to be lost in 2006. and rick santorum doesn't support it. >> look. i think it is nice to try to save the subject to terri
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schiavo. but what happened here is that this is a mushroom cloud that you had people bike joe biden and bill daily leaking they had advised against it and the white house was diving under the furniture and if it were such a great thing, why did obama himself feel like he had to walk into the white house briefing room and walk it back. this was a political disaster for the administration and white catholic voters who are voting 15 points republican in the last thr three years. >> raffle, ralph. >> yes. >> let me explain it to you. he looks reasonable in the thing. people like the idea of having contraception in this country. and the thing that he now comes and says, okay, we fixed it. just the long range implications of this if anything are going to be favor fobl table to the pres. he came out looking reasonable. 28 statesmandated it before and nobody said anything about it. >> well, james, the 28 states don't require religious
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organizations to provide insurance under penalty of a fine. that is apples and oranges. >> well, the religious institutions who were providing this before, but the president compromised and i come back to the point that birth control pills drive health care costs down. but it is the people who are so adamantly opposed -- >> james, contraception is widely and fully available to women all across the country, and if they cannot afford it, it is subsidized under title ten. >> no, santorum wants to overturn granholm versus connecticut. >> you said two minutes ago he should not be the nominee. who are you running against? >> i did. >> well, why are you bringing it up? >> well, do you support -- >> and what we are saying is the position -- >> raffle dlph, do you support >> i do. >> and your position. >> are you doing a george stephanopoulos, and we are going to debate contraception? it is not about contraception.
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>> sure it s. >> it is about whether or not a religious organization is going to be forced to do something that they find morally repugnant and against their conscious including the morning-after pill, and other methods to induce abortion. for you to not unction that that, that forcing them to violate the conscious is a violati violation of the first amendment right shows how tone deaf -- >> remember, when you losing an argument, don't try to talk down to me, you are losing the argument. the president came across being reasonable. >> and if we are losing the argument, why did he capitulate? >> well, again, excuse me for speaking while you are interrupting, ralph, but part of being a good christian is having the other person have a say so. >> go ahead. >> thank you. i think that what we are seeing here is the president being reasonable, and what we are seeing here is what we have, and the idea that this costs money is not what the facts are.
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birth control pills actually save on health care costs. this is what is becoming -- and the president comes across as being reasonable, and the damage of this is a, is if anything i think slightly helpful to him in the long run. >> ralph, the final thought and then we have to leave it. >> well, from the policy standpoint, it is a fig leaf and they took the gun pointed at the catholic bishops and pointed it out to the insurance companies, and this is why obama care does not poll over 30%. from a plolitical standpoint, te catholic vote in swing states like ohio, michigan, florida, new mexico, iowa is bleeding like a stuck pig on this administration and that is a major problem and why they should walk it back. >> well, that is why the president is up 6 points in the last poll, because the catholics
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are bleeding. >> it is not about contraception, but liberties. >> and 98% of catholics take birth control. >> leave it there, guys. >> thank you. they sure smile a lot for two guys who disagree so much. earlier we saw you mitt romney's big moment at cpac, and tonight, newt gingrich introduced her husband today, and she said there are three things that people don't know about her husband. he is a committed golfer, and he loves books and this. listen. >> newt is also very supportive. when i sing at the basilica at the national shrine or play my french horn with the city of fairfax band, he is right there listening. i am personally grateful for his wisdom in not trying to sing as a candidate. he knows his limitations. >> callista gingrich basically
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stepping out front to introduce her husband as ann romney has been doing to much success on the campaign trail. according to gingrich campaign, we will see more of ka lcallist gingrich in the coming days, because she brings out the husband's softer side which are the word s ths that the campaig used. she also had been his mistress for six years, and this is his third marriage and there had been some concern and in some quarters about what impact of her taking a more visible role in the husband's campaign might actually have and would it increase some resentment? clearly, the belief is that newt gingrich has a problem with the female voters and we have seen it in the last several primaries and caucuses, and the question tonight, can callista gingrich change that? here is randi kaye with an upclose look at callista gingrich. ♪ >> reporter: on most sundays
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callista gingrich sings in the ch church choir, but not until recently she found her voice on the campaign trail. >> let's give a warm welcome to my husband and best friend, newt gingrich. >> reporter: still moments like that are rare. getting anywhere close to callista on the campaign trail is challenging to say the least. >> no cameras. you are like 8-year-olds. >> reporter: are they trying to keep callista away from the reporters? >> i am not aware that they are trying to. >> reporter: and yet when we wanted to interview callista, the campaign said no, and agreed to let us speak with karen olson, callista's friend since the second grade. growing up, olson recalls that callista was a cheerleader, and they attended college together where callista majored in music and practiced six hours a day and graduated cum laude. and then she moved to washington, d.c. to work as a
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clerk with the house agriculture committee. in 1993, callista began a six-year affair with newt gingrich who at the time was speaker of the house and on his second marriage. did she talk to you about meeting newt or dating newt? >> well, you know, yeah, we knew about it, but she didn't say a lot about it. >> reporter: did you ever offer her advice? >> no, you want the best for your friend. you don't want to see them get hurt, and having a high profile relationship, you know, it is just that we were concerned. >> reporter: was she concerned do you think? >> i think so. >> reporter: callista and newt married in 2000, but the affair still dogs them to dday on the campaign trail. after newt's second wife told the media he had wanted a quote open marriage, they ran into this question in florida. >> and just to clarify, i wanted to see if you all are in an open marriage? >> no. >> no. >> reporter: how do you think that she handled that sort of
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thing being pressed in tough situations or getting hard questions out there? >> well, publicly, i think that she handles it very well, but privately, it can't be easy. >> reporter: early on, callista was accused by staffers of undermining the campaign, and pulling him off of the campaign trail to go on a cruise, and to appear for her new book featuring ellis the elephant. >> i'm callista gingrich and this is my friend. >> reporter: and despite the sagging poll numbers newt skipped town last fall to attend his wife's french horn performance and all that and on top of the couples' $500,000 line at the jewelry store tiffany and company. callista grew up in a white colar family in wisconsin. her mother named her after the wife of a bank president she had once worked for. callista's middle name is louise, so her family calls her
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calli lou. money was so tight that her mother used to sew her clothes by hand, but these days she is always brightly dressed and with pearls. and her spokesperson told the "new yorker" i don't think she owns a pair of jeans. and her coiffed blond hair has caused such a stir that there is a facebook page directed to it. and even late night comedians. that probably made her chuckle, because callista likes to laugh. and they have watched "the hangover" seven times. and callista is trying to loosen up on the campaign trail to let voters know before it is too late that there is more to her than what the headlines suggest. randi kaye, atlanta. we will see if in fact we see more of her taking a vocale role on the campaign trail.
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we go to syria next where sadly the death toll climbs higher everyday and new evidence that the government is organizing a campaign against its own people, if you needed more evidence, and new satellite images from the ground. keeping them honest. and a scary sight of a school bus catching on fire and nobody was hurt thanks to the quick action of one person. details ahead. ♪
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keeping them honest, new ed confirming that syria despite
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the constant denials is organizing system issic military campaign against its own people. another 110 people killed today according to the activist groups and you can see the destruction in homs from space. the state department is releasing satellite photos according to the presentation this is going to show rocket launchers aimed at homs, and this is an artillery placement, again, pointing at homs, which has seen heavy shelling in the last week. this next satellite photo shows the city with rising plumes of smoke, and across the city, and a particular neighborhood in the city. robert ford, the american ambassador to syria says we know who is shelling homs, and it is the government. that is why he released the video. and there is ground evidence of the sheer brutality. these are main battle tanks firing their big guns and
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pouring artillery into the neighborhoods, and there is a resistance, but it is armed with regular weapons against army vehicles. and also small military personnel carriers are being used as anti-military weapons. ambassador ford comparing what happened there as what happened in 1992 with the killing by assad's father. there is a gathering also in aaleppo. as we said, opposition forces are fighting back. this video claims to show free
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syrian fighters attacking a police station in homs. [ gun fire ] ? you can hear the small arms fire with little exception of what this small army is armed with. and the army has heavy artillery, and the using it against people who cannot hide well. isha is back with the "360" bulletin. a 21-year-old man who is a native of uzbekistan admitted to a plan hatched last summer to assassinate the president. he faces up to 15 years in prison. the italian cruise ship disaster has prompted new rule changes in safety drills. the old rule required instruction within 24 hours of passengers boarding the ship,
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and at least 16 people died in the disaster and 16 others are still missing. a man who served ten years in prison for stalking madonna was arrested again today. and dewey hoskins escaped from a southern california mental health facility last week, and he is required by court order to remain there for treatment. and look at the frightening video, a school bus engulfed in flames in charlotte, north carolina, and anderson, what makes the story more compelling she smelled smoke, and got six elementary children off of the bus safely just moments before it blew up. scary pictures. >> thank goodness nobody was injured. we will check in with you later on. up next, penn state former football coach jerry sandusky is in court pleading for more freedom while he is under house arrest while awaiting trial for child sexual abuse charges.
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in crime and punishment tonight, former penn state football coach jerry sandusky took the stand today in court request morgue freedoms while he awaits trial for sexual abuse charges. he says that the minor grand children are upset that they can't see him, and he wants more visits with him. prosecutors blasted the requests
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saying that sandusky should not be treating the arrest like a house party. and another sticking point is whether sandusky should be allowed to use the back porch. video from a neighbor shows that his porch borders an elementary school playground, and teachers and neighbors -- grave concerns he is allowed outside of his home. he is charged with sexual misconduct with several boys over the years, and he has plead not guilty. the scandal led to the removal of the head football coach joe paterno who died last month, and two other administrators are waiting on charges that they lied to the grand jury about the allegation. sandusky talked to the media outside of the courthouse today. >> generally, i want to say that i don't have a lot of resources, but what i do have is some people who will pour their heart and soul into defending me, and i'm grateful for them.
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i'm grateful for the people who have stood beside me and given me the opportunity to at some point in time to reach out and express feelings. >> and joined today by our correspondent who was in court today. so sandusky wanted to loosen restrictions on the bail condition, and specifically, what does he want? >> well, under the bail condition, anderson, he is not allowed to have contact with anybody under the age of 18, so effectively, he cannot see his grandchildren and he wants to have that changed. earlier in court, evidence was presented from the grandchildren who say they, too, believe that the conditions should be changed, an sandusky should be allowed to see his grandchildren, and as you said today, sandusky came outside of the courthouse and talked about the frustration of that particular condition of the house arrestment take a listen. >> friends who call me and who
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want to be with me, who want to see me, and i have to say no, i can't, and they ask why, so i asked joe why. that's why he brought it up. welk when i had a wife who came home after visiting with grandchildren or who is sitting there when grandchildren call my birthday, and they asked to talk to me, and she has to tell them that they can't, i'm sensitive to that. >> neighbors, as i said have also expressed concerns about sandusky living so close to a schoolyard. >> yes. >> and what is the reaction from sandusky? >> well, sandusky obviously disagrees with what they are saying, and you heard him refer to joe in the sound bite, and that is joe amendola who is his defense attorney, and they don't have a problem with that video being entered into evidence, because joe amendola says that my client wasn't do anything wrong in the video.
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he was out on his back porchp which he is allowed to do under the conditions of the bail, and he was simply giving his dog some sort of treat. as you know, his house does border a school. that has a lot of the neighbors who rupset saying that they are uncomfortable with him being so close to the school. but however, sandusky, said these neighbors are also people he once called friends, and he talked about that, too, this afternoon. >> i have associated with thousands of young people over the years, and now all of the sudden, okay, because of allegations and perceptions that have tried to have been created of me, now i can't take our dog on my deck and throw out biscuits to him. now, all of the sudden, these people turn on me when they've been in my home with their kids when they have attended birthday
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parties and they have been on that deck, when their kids have been playing in my yard, and when their kids have been sled riding when they have asked to sled ride in our home. is the first time we have heard jerry sandusky speaking this way to the media. from the prosecution's point of view, they say we don't want to hear about sandusky's complaints, because they say that house arrest is something that is a privilege and that it is not a house party. they also say that his house has not been safe for children for 15 years, and it is certainly not safe now. they say that none of the conditions should be changed. the judge is going to make a ruling ort at least expected to monday. >> what has his demeanor before like in court? >> well, that is another interesting point, because even before he got into court as he was heading in, we saw him laughing with the security guards bringing him in, and when
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he was testifying about a particular legal point in the courtroom today, he was smiling at different points, and a lot of the courtroom observers were wondering why he had this particular type of demeanor, and it is up for interpretation, because it could be a nervous reaction to a stressful situation, and joe amendola says it is the nature of the man's character and not the read anything into it. anderson? >> thank you, jason. joining me is legal analyst and former prosecutor sunny hostin, and criminal attorney mark geragos, and what do you make of this, sandusky wanting to see the grandchildren and should he be allowed the see them give ten charges he is facing? >> of course, he should be allowed to see the grandchildren and what i make of this is nonsense. the thing that people need to remember is that we still have a constitution. and under the constitution, you are still presumed innocent, and apparently in spite of the fact that you have already been lynched in the media, or
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surrounding your house, and the fact is that he is on house arrest. he was not going into the elementary school. somebody was taking a video of him through a fence. this whole thing is just nothing more than part of the hysteria that is surrounding allegations like this, and i use the word allegations, because, remember, he has not been convicted of anything. >> and sunny, you say that you are shocked though that he is even asking for this. >> i am shocked. bottom line is that he was given a gift, the gift of house arrest. i mean, come pair that to and contrast that to mark burton, the teacher accused of sexual misconduct who is sitting in jail on $23 million worth of bail, and jerry sandusky charged with 52 counts of sexual abuse and abusing ten victims over 15 years got $250,000 bail and sitting in his home, and now, hanging out, outside. it is unbelievable, anderson.
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>> sunny, if sandusky was in prison right now in trial, they would be allowed to visit him there, right? >> yes, but that is very different, because we are talking about guards being there and a very sterile environment. having them come to his home, and the location where many of these allegations are said to have occurred, i think it is just extraordinary. i mean, it is so ridiculous in my view, because when people are convict of sex offenses they are not allowed to be within 300 yards of a school, and he lives within 100 yards of a school. that is ridiculous. >> sunny, you used the key can word here. when people are convicted. i know that you want to move away from that mettlesome thing called a trial or proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but he has not been convicted, and he has not, and he is innocent until convicted. >> and he has been indicted of 52 counts. >> sunny, how many times did you
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go in front off a grand jury and not get an indictment. you could indict anderson for bad taste in front of any grand jury, and -- >> there is no evidence against him. >> wait, can i say something? >> and you could be clearly, anderson, but clearly, one of the horrible things about the grand jury system in america is that anybody can be indicted for anything. in an indictment is meaningless, and it was originally designed to protect the public. >> well, it is phony. and we have seen some of the grand jury testimony, and it is evidence against this man, and 52 counts. >> and sunny, we have not seen really grand jury testimony, but seen a summation of grand jury testimony, right? >> that is accurate, but we have also seen mcqueary, one of the witnesses in the case, in court be steadfast in his testimony, and i think that it was extremely compelling. and so to say that -- >> steadfast in what? telling three stories. >> well, it is disingenuous, and
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it is intellectually dishonest. >> and mcqueary was in a different proceed iing, and mcqueary was not steadfast. he told three stories and he is hardly going to be the linchpin of this case. that is my prediction, but i am still going to go back to the first thing, we still have a constitution, and you are presumed innocent, and he is wanting to see his grand kids and as long as he is innocent, there should not be any reason he cannot see them. and also, he should be able to inve investigate the case with his lawyers and what is wrong with that? >> you are saying, because it is his own grandchildren, that is the difference and if he would want to volunteer at a school, that would not be appropriate? >> clearly not appropriate. they will not ask for that, and in fact, the lawyer and it never in a million years is going to ask with that when he is facing
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these charges, but if fact remains that as he stated, everybody has turned on him. and he has his family as his support network, and why in the world are you supposed to take away his family as well, because he's been charged with something and not convicted. >> well, sunny, shouldn't it be up to the parents of the kids? he is the grandfather and his children, and these grandchildren's parents, shouldn't it be up to them whether or not they want their dad to spend time with their kids? >> well, anderson, i think it is significant then to note that one of the mothers of the children doesn't want her three children around jerry sandusky, and so there is certain opposition within the family to have him around them. that is a smart mother. that is a smart mother. >> and don't take hem over. well, it is a mother who believes in the hysteria. >> and i can't imagine that jerry sandusky given the position that he is in wants to be outside looking at children and wants to visit his grandchildren. he needs to be preparing for trial, and clearing his name as if that is going to happen.
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>> he was not peering through the fence looking at children. >> let him finish, sunny, and then you can finish. >> mark he was not staring at the kids with binoculars. >> he was not doing anything untorrid and thank god we have the video, or otherwise somebody would allege lewd conduct out there. everybody needs a real deep breath. these are allegations and not tested by cross-examination in a courtroom, and why don't we wait to see what actually happens in a courtroom before we draw and quarter this guy. >> well, sunny, sandusky's team wants a local jury for the trial, and it is interesting that a lot of of the defense teams ask for jurors who are not local and why do you think they want a local jury? >> well, it is extraordinary and clear that jerry sandusky's team thinks that the reputation of jerry sandusky will help him in a court of law. >> do you agree with that, mark, in the thinking?
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>> in the area. >> well, it is, and the one thing i will agree with sunny is that it is extraordinary that the defense is asking for a local jury, and the reason for that is that they figure that only way they will get a shot at presumption of innocence is a community that is not going to be caught nup thup in this witc that i think sent joe paterno no the death, and that is the reason they did it and asking for it. frankly, if the attorney general thinks that the charges are so strong, and think it is such a compelling case, why do they want to bus jurors in from the out outlying jurisdictions? what are they afraid of? >> they want a fair trial. and coming up, former congresswoman gabby giffords. and also, a fugitive who flew from great britain and when you hear the charges that he is fleeing from, you will understand why the authorities are so glad he is back in custody. then the world changed... and the common sense of retirement planning
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we ran out of time for the ridiculist tonight with so many people yelling and indicting me that we ran out of time. so a quick shot, and isha is back for that. isha, a snoring door mouse. [ snoring ] >> where did you find this? >> it was posted on youtube and described as a door mouse in a type of hibernation state, and they spend up to threqu